Les
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Hey Frank, bite me...
"Tolerant" NYC Liberals React to McCain Supporters
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TomT
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LOL. If I thought Frank was even old enough to vote I would be worried about him. 
Dre L
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There go those dismissive republican attitudes again.
Frank only voiced what most of America feels.
Frank only voiced what most of America feels.
Aaron Yarbough
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No use trying to explain, their counterparts will do it for them once they close the curtain behind them, except they'll never know it....
Bud Williams
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FRANK!
Why do you love socialism so much?
Why do you support Obama.
What does he think he can do for our country?
What legislative bills has he ever sponsored or authored?
Why won't he release his
Transcripts from college
Medical history
College Thesis
ties to William Ayers
Tax records
etc, etc etc
Do we really know his history?
Do we really know his allegencies Muslim or Pro Israeli?
What about his ties to Father Flager, Louis Farrakhan
and ACORN the list goes on and on.
Is voting for this unknown, shadowy history
worth it?
The stock MArket is up
Buy more Koolaid stock!
Why do you love socialism so much?
Why do you support Obama.
What does he think he can do for our country?
What legislative bills has he ever sponsored or authored?
Why won't he release his
Transcripts from college
Medical history
College Thesis
ties to William Ayers
Tax records
etc, etc etc
Do we really know his history?
Do we really know his allegencies Muslim or Pro Israeli?
What about his ties to Father Flager, Louis Farrakhan
and ACORN the list goes on and on.
Is voting for this unknown, shadowy history
worth it?
The stock MArket is up
Buy more Koolaid stock!
JerryW Gilliland
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Ryan Schaecher
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Actaully, I am VERY Pro-Death Penalty. There is a clear and cut disconnect. An Eye for An Eye. Murder is murder. Death is death.
However, when you break one of the fundamentals of Judeo-Christian ethics and foundation of Judeo-Christian beliefs, you have to answer for them.
What part of Thou Shalt Not Kill does a murderer not understand? You break that coventry with God.
It is plain in the bible that you must obey the law of man as well, unless that law contradicts God's law. I'll point you to Romans 13:
You break man's law, you will have to answer to man. If that law does not contradict God's law (note that it is contradict, not agree with or is supported by) you will have to answer. If that means answering with and submitting your life, that is the price that is required.
In the case of Abortion, it is innocent blood being spilt. In the case of the death penalty, a jury of your peers, judges, govenors, presidents, etc. all typically have oversight at some point or other and have either found you guilty or have found insufficient evidence to block your execution.
Abortion and death penalty are virtually unrelated.
You can thank Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Barack Obamalamadingdong, Nanci Pelosi and Harry Reid.
There are approximately 20-40 million people who this issue will affect their decision, either for Obamalamdingdong or McCain.
Don't count your chickens yet. Hillary was destined to be the candidate. The Cubs were destined to win the World Series. Broccoli Obamalamadingdong is destined to win the presidency.... careful. The other two didn't work out so well.
Odd since you and Mr. Obamalamadingdong and OBiden keep referring to what Mr. Bush has done the last 8 years. I, however, have been looking to what the future holds.
Exactly. When push comes to shove, do you really thing Americans are going to elect a Communist?
A freedom that left-wing justices and groups like the ACLU, ACORN and the Democratic party hav
Ryan Schaecher
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As for contraception, conception occurs when a fertilized egg implants on the uterine wall. If you'd like a more graphic discussion, I'll borrow my sister-in-law and let her discuss it, she's the OB/GYN of the family.
An egg that does not implant on the wall is just a fetilized egg, not a conceived child.
I grew up a Catholic. I know what the doctrine says. I also know the history behind that doctrine (it was about growing the church, not science, not health, etc).
The bible says NOTHING about contraception or intercourse outside of trying to conceive. Using contraceptives or have intercourse (with your MARRIED spouse of the opposite sex) is not only NOT a sin but is encouraged for both physical and emotional health.
An egg that does not implant on the wall is just a fetilized egg, not a conceived child.
I grew up a Catholic. I know what the doctrine says. I also know the history behind that doctrine (it was about growing the church, not science, not health, etc).
The bible says NOTHING about contraception or intercourse outside of trying to conceive. Using contraceptives or have intercourse (with your MARRIED spouse of the opposite sex) is not only NOT a sin but is encouraged for both physical and emotional health.
Thomas Rogers
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R Shek said:
You might want to check your Bible again and read about Onan and God's punishment for his "spilling of the seed" (his sperm).
Yes, it is open to interpretation, but to say that the Bible says NOTHING of contraception is incorrect.
TJR
You might want to check your Bible again and read about Onan and God's punishment for his "spilling of the seed" (his sperm).
Yes, it is open to interpretation, but to say that the Bible says NOTHING of contraception is incorrect.
TJR
Alan Peters
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So true!
Bill V
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According to the right, government should stay out of your life--unless you want to be married gays, or have an abortion, or.... (This list would get WAY too long to list here. The short version--unless you want to do anything they disagree with.)
I'm not saying either side is better than the other. I'm just pointing out that all these tired accusations are applicable to both sides, and therefore are a waste of time for either side to bother uttering.
Les
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You got that right...
Michael Cacioppo
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Guys, religion is a personal belief system. Different people have different concepts of God, gods or no God. As I said this is personal. Your religious beliefs or lack of them should not have an affect on my life. I am not talking about morals. You can have morals and still be an atheist. Although I am reasonably right leaning and pro Libertarian I believe that abortion is a moral choice that one makes based upon his/her conscience. Yes men have an opinion about it too whether it is to support or discourage. If your religion believes that life begins at inception, fine let that be your guide to your personal decision, don't force it on others. If your belief are that abortion is OK up to birth than that is your decision. Since there is a point where the fetus is really able to survive outside the whom then maybe we can agree on some period to affect into law. Religious right folks were responsible for many of the Sunday "Blue laws". No liquor sales, stores were closed. Although I'm, not Jewish I grew up in Forest Hills New York were a preponderance of people were Jewish. Their Sabbath is on Saturday, so why discriminate by having Sunday restrictions. Keep what ever religion suits your belief system, but keep it out of politics. Not your morals, your religion.
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Kerry Matthews
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Well said Mikc C! Thank you from the rest of us who want 'freedom FROM religion' also.
JerryW Gilliland
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Why are McCain/Palin supporters mad?
THIS IS WHAT GREETS THEM AT RALLIES
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A friend of mine was at a Sarah Palin event in Philadelphia, at the Park Hyatt Hotel - late
Saturday afternoon (Oct. 11th). If you are easily grossed out by the "C"
word, I am sorry. If McCain supporters wore a shirt that said "Obama is a ____"
or even "Obama is a ____" or "Obama is a ____" at an Obama Rally, they
would either be thrown off the premises, have their heads kicked in, or even
be detained at the local police station (I know this for a fact: I just had on a
McCain button at a recent Obama event and I didn't think I was going to get out alive).
Sorry the picture is not clearer. But these four young people were right in
front of the hotel. And believe it or not, theses four have on the NICEST shirts.
There were worse, much worse.
There was group carrying around a fake dead fetus - exclaiming that
"abortion should have been the path for Bristol Palin". And quite a few
smoke bombs, etc. etc.
My friend also had some "nice" words thrown at her.
There were about 500 organized protesters. And about 500 not so organized
at this event. The police and hotel security and secret service were
letting them all the way up to the hotel steps. In a few cases ... some of the
protesters got into the lobby.
In my family, the "C" word is about as bad as you can get.
Was this reported on the Philadelphia News? No! Was anyone outraged?
No! All that was on the Philadelphia local news last night was: Obama was
at several rallies in Philadelphia earlier in the day (but went home
Saturday night to be with his children). Obama and Palin were in Philly on
the same day. And was there any mention of Palin - No! In the Sports
section of the local evening news at 11:00PM, they did mention that Palin
was at the Philadelphia Flyers game "dropping the first puck". The
guy said it with a smirk. Then he added that Sarah Palin WAS NOT going home to spend the evening with her children.
Sorry the attached picture is not clearer, but you get the idea.
This is the REAL AMERICA! And I find it VERY sad.
THIS IS WHAT GREETS THEM AT RALLIES
[Broken External Image]:
A friend of mine was at a Sarah Palin event in Philadelphia, at the Park Hyatt Hotel - late
Saturday afternoon (Oct. 11th). If you are easily grossed out by the "C"
word, I am sorry. If McCain supporters wore a shirt that said "Obama is a ____"
or even "Obama is a ____" or "Obama is a ____" at an Obama Rally, they
would either be thrown off the premises, have their heads kicked in, or even
be detained at the local police station (I know this for a fact: I just had on a
McCain button at a recent Obama event and I didn't think I was going to get out alive).
Sorry the picture is not clearer. But these four young people were right in
front of the hotel. And believe it or not, theses four have on the NICEST shirts.
There were worse, much worse.
There was group carrying around a fake dead fetus - exclaiming that
"abortion should have been the path for Bristol Palin". And quite a few
smoke bombs, etc. etc.
My friend also had some "nice" words thrown at her.
There were about 500 organized protesters. And about 500 not so organized
at this event. The police and hotel security and secret service were
letting them all the way up to the hotel steps. In a few cases ... some of the
protesters got into the lobby.
In my family, the "C" word is about as bad as you can get.
Was this reported on the Philadelphia News? No! Was anyone outraged?
No! All that was on the Philadelphia local news last night was: Obama was
at several rallies in Philadelphia earlier in the day (but went home
Saturday night to be with his children). Obama and Palin were in Philly on
the same day. And was there any mention of Palin - No! In the Sports
section of the local evening news at 11:00PM, they did mention that Palin
was at the Philadelphia Flyers game "dropping the first puck". The
guy said it with a smirk. Then he added that Sarah Palin WAS NOT going home to spend the evening with her children.
Sorry the attached picture is not clearer, but you get the idea.
This is the REAL AMERICA! And I find it VERY sad.
Jim Johnson
Active Member
<I>"You might want to check your Bible again and read about Onan and God's punishment for his 'spilling of the seed' (his sperm).
Yes, it is open to interpretation, but to say that the Bible says NOTHING of contraception is incorrect.
TJR"</I>
This was a specific incident in which Onan refused to provide an heir for his deceased brother, according to the tradition of the time. This tradition no longer exists. As such, Onan does not provide reliable, objective evidence to suggest that all contraception is forbidden.
However, there is an obvious difference between a life never existing in the first place, and an existing life being taken for the purpose of serving the mother's (or father's) convenience and selfish interest (which is often how conception occurred in the first place). I would compare the latter to the murder of a witness in a legal trial in order to prevent his/her testimony. In each case, a life is ended to prevent an inconvenience to someone else, something for which I can't imagine any moral justification.
Yes, it is open to interpretation, but to say that the Bible says NOTHING of contraception is incorrect.
TJR"</I>
This was a specific incident in which Onan refused to provide an heir for his deceased brother, according to the tradition of the time. This tradition no longer exists. As such, Onan does not provide reliable, objective evidence to suggest that all contraception is forbidden.
However, there is an obvious difference between a life never existing in the first place, and an existing life being taken for the purpose of serving the mother's (or father's) convenience and selfish interest (which is often how conception occurred in the first place). I would compare the latter to the murder of a witness in a legal trial in order to prevent his/her testimony. In each case, a life is ended to prevent an inconvenience to someone else, something for which I can't imagine any moral justification.
TomT
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It's useless to use the bible to defend or oppose pro-life. Every religion and every person interprets the bible differently. That's why I quit trying to make sense out of it a long time ago.
Paul Maurer 2
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I'm curious why videos of abortion protests show mostly angry white MEN, and all the abortion doctor killers have been WMs as well. I suggest a nationwide vote on the issue- with only WOMEN allowed to vote. It is the woman who gets pregnant, carries the baby or carries the burden of having an abortion. I don't think a man can fully grasp the enormity of it. Also, if men are so concerned with the evils of abortion, they might spend their time teaching other men the easiest way of all to end abortions......not cause a pregnancy in the first place.
Thomas Rogers
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JimJ,
It all depends on when you think "life" begins. At conception? At some number of weeks after conception? Or, as I was saying some believe, prior to conception?
Those that think life begins at conception and those that think that life begins sometime later often do so not in some unobjective fashion. No, more often then not their "so-called" beliefs are justifications for their morality and their actions. The pro-choice person often believes that life begins later as a justification for their belief. The pro-life person holds fast to life beginning at conception.
Neither side seems to what to concede any points that the other side makes, though valid points are made on both sides.
I'm pro-choice yet against abortion (meaning I think there should be the option for abortion but I think it should be a very infrequently used option); but since I don't have a womb I find that my vote and voice on the subject counts so much less than a woman's.
TJR
It all depends on when you think "life" begins. At conception? At some number of weeks after conception? Or, as I was saying some believe, prior to conception?
Those that think life begins at conception and those that think that life begins sometime later often do so not in some unobjective fashion. No, more often then not their "so-called" beliefs are justifications for their morality and their actions. The pro-choice person often believes that life begins later as a justification for their belief. The pro-life person holds fast to life beginning at conception.
Neither side seems to what to concede any points that the other side makes, though valid points are made on both sides.
I'm pro-choice yet against abortion (meaning I think there should be the option for abortion but I think it should be a very infrequently used option); but since I don't have a womb I find that my vote and voice on the subject counts so much less than a woman's.
TJR
TomT
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I'm betting if men could get pregnant then abortions would not be contested.
