Aaron Yarbough
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You don't, your back window would have quit working no matter who you bought your gas from...
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Will Bargain Gas Hurt Your ST?
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You don't, your back window would have quit working no matter who you bought your gas from...
Dre L
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There aren't too many around here but I buy Citgo any chance I get. They're the only major oil company that even supports low cost heating oil for low income Americans. I don't see any American reserves opening to keep people from freezing, or any Oil companies American or otherwise stepping up to do that.
Talk about Chavez all you want, the U.S. puts powers in the Americas as long as they serve a purpose. That is why we have a School of the Americas (recently renamed).
And no, cheap gas won't hurt your Trac, any gas from a poorly maintained or quality compromised station will hurt any car.
Talk about Chavez all you want, the U.S. puts powers in the Americas as long as they serve a purpose. That is why we have a School of the Americas (recently renamed).
And no, cheap gas won't hurt your Trac, any gas from a poorly maintained or quality compromised station will hurt any car.
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Will bargain gas harm your car?
Friday January 4, 6:00 am ET
Terry Jackson
You're driving down the street with the gas gauge pointing to empty. Scanning the prices on the boards at the gas stations, you notice that the national brands are all around $3.25 a gallon for regular.
Then, you approach Joe's Gas 'n' Go. To your delight, good ol' Joe is selling regular for $3.15.
You think about stopping at Joe's, but wonder: "How good is the gas? Will using Joe's bargain gas harm the performance or reliability of my car?"
The short answer is "no."
At a time when motorists are trying to shave even a few dollars off their fuel bill, shopping some of the lesser-known brands may be a good idea.
The entire nation's gasoline comes from various regional refiners who then sell the product to a wide variety of retailers. The Environmental Protection Agency, or EPA, mandates that all gasoline meet certain standards for detergent additives that combat potential deposits on an engine's valves.
In addition, gasoline is periodically tested at the pump to make sure it meets minimum octane ratings for regular, mid-range and premium levels.
That means Joe's gas must perform to a certain standard and likely won't harm your car.
But that doesn't mean Joe's gas is the same as what you'll find coming out of the pump at Chevron, BP, Amoco or other brands.
At the fuel depot, where gasoline from the refiner is dispensed, a lot of brands mix in their own formula of additives that they say goes beyond what the federal government requires.
Some manufacturers say that today's high-tech engines require higher-standard gasoline than the EPA benchmark. Audi, BMW, General Motors, Honda, Toyota and Volkswagen have worked with major gasoline companies to set a standard for what is known as Top Tier Detergent Gasoline.
Gas companies that meet these standards include QuikTrip, Chevron, ConocoPhillips, Shell, MFA Oil Company, Kwik Trip/Kwik Star, The Somerset Refinery Inc., Aloha Petroleum, Tri-Par Oil Co., Texaco, Petro-Canada and Sunoco-Canada.
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Whether using Top Tier gasoline makes a substantive difference is debatable. AAA contends that any brand of gasoline is safe. In addition, the deposits that Top Tier gasoline helps prevent generally don't cause problems for an engine until after 100,000 miles.
To date, no manufacturer has threatened to void the warranties of drivers who fail to use Top Tier gasoline.
Drivers who are still concerned but who don't want to buy the higher-cost gasoline can visit an auto parts store twice a year to buy a gas additive. For example, Chevron's Techron additive, which the retailer says is in every gallon of its gas, can be bought in a bottle for less than $10.
So, a 20-gallon fill-up at a Chevron or another Top Tier station that costs 10 cents a gallon more than the rate at Joe's bargain gas means a driver would pay $2 more to get those additional additives. Assuming one such fill-up a week, a driver would save $104 a year by buying at Joe's, a savings that would more than cover a twice-a-year purchase of a bottle of detergent additive.
While on the subject of gasoline, drivers should stop paying for gasoline with a higher octane rating than their car needs.
Check the owner's manual to see what the manufacturer recommends -- for most vehicles, the octane rating is 87, which means regular grade. Buying 89, or 92 or 93 octane gasoline will not make your car go faster or get better gasoline mileage. One exception is high-mileage engines that experience "knocking'' -- that pinging noise when you accelerate. You may be able to eliminate such noises by stepping up in octane.
But for the vast majority of consumers, spending 20 cents or more to put higher-octane gas in the<
Will bargain gas harm your car?
Friday January 4, 6:00 am ET
Terry Jackson
You're driving down the street with the gas gauge pointing to empty. Scanning the prices on the boards at the gas stations, you notice that the national brands are all around $3.25 a gallon for regular.
Then, you approach Joe's Gas 'n' Go. To your delight, good ol' Joe is selling regular for $3.15.
You think about stopping at Joe's, but wonder: "How good is the gas? Will using Joe's bargain gas harm the performance or reliability of my car?"
The short answer is "no."
At a time when motorists are trying to shave even a few dollars off their fuel bill, shopping some of the lesser-known brands may be a good idea.
The entire nation's gasoline comes from various regional refiners who then sell the product to a wide variety of retailers. The Environmental Protection Agency, or EPA, mandates that all gasoline meet certain standards for detergent additives that combat potential deposits on an engine's valves.
In addition, gasoline is periodically tested at the pump to make sure it meets minimum octane ratings for regular, mid-range and premium levels.
That means Joe's gas must perform to a certain standard and likely won't harm your car.
But that doesn't mean Joe's gas is the same as what you'll find coming out of the pump at Chevron, BP, Amoco or other brands.
At the fuel depot, where gasoline from the refiner is dispensed, a lot of brands mix in their own formula of additives that they say goes beyond what the federal government requires.
Some manufacturers say that today's high-tech engines require higher-standard gasoline than the EPA benchmark. Audi, BMW, General Motors, Honda, Toyota and Volkswagen have worked with major gasoline companies to set a standard for what is known as Top Tier Detergent Gasoline.
Gas companies that meet these standards include QuikTrip, Chevron, ConocoPhillips, Shell, MFA Oil Company, Kwik Trip/Kwik Star, The Somerset Refinery Inc., Aloha Petroleum, Tri-Par Oil Co., Texaco, Petro-Canada and Sunoco-Canada.
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Whether using Top Tier gasoline makes a substantive difference is debatable. AAA contends that any brand of gasoline is safe. In addition, the deposits that Top Tier gasoline helps prevent generally don't cause problems for an engine until after 100,000 miles.
To date, no manufacturer has threatened to void the warranties of drivers who fail to use Top Tier gasoline.
Drivers who are still concerned but who don't want to buy the higher-cost gasoline can visit an auto parts store twice a year to buy a gas additive. For example, Chevron's Techron additive, which the retailer says is in every gallon of its gas, can be bought in a bottle for less than $10.
So, a 20-gallon fill-up at a Chevron or another Top Tier station that costs 10 cents a gallon more than the rate at Joe's bargain gas means a driver would pay $2 more to get those additional additives. Assuming one such fill-up a week, a driver would save $104 a year by buying at Joe's, a savings that would more than cover a twice-a-year purchase of a bottle of detergent additive.
While on the subject of gasoline, drivers should stop paying for gasoline with a higher octane rating than their car needs.
Check the owner's manual to see what the manufacturer recommends -- for most vehicles, the octane rating is 87, which means regular grade. Buying 89, or 92 or 93 octane gasoline will not make your car go faster or get better gasoline mileage. One exception is high-mileage engines that experience "knocking'' -- that pinging noise when you accelerate. You may be able to eliminate such noises by stepping up in octane.
But for the vast majority of consumers, spending 20 cents or more to put higher-octane gas in the<
Kevin Lang
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There aren't too many around here but I buy Citgo any chance I get. They're the only major oil company that even supports low cost heating oil for low income Americans.
Hmmm....low cost oil for "low income americans". So that means that chavez gives allegedly "poor" people a discount over the "rich" people? You're condoning a free handout? Why don't I get reduced price oil? Who decides what "poor" truly means? I am pretty poor, and if poor was relative, than most of america would be poor. Such a scheme as citgo's is illogical.
Yet if they were to make heating oil the same low price for _all_ consumers, and there would be no problem.
But wait, Citgo won't do that, as this whole oil-for-the-poor sham is just propaganda to make people sympathize with their company through your empathy for the "poor".
You are proving, sadly, that such propaganda actually works.
Dre L
Well-Known Member
Kevin L.,
Frankly, your comments are idiotic.
If you are so poor and freezing to death, please apply for some low cost oil and report back to us on how it worked for you.
Sham, advertising opportunity, gimmick, sure, great propaganda, so then why hasn't the rest of the energy community jumped on the bandwagon to help out needy Americans?
You can sit there and spin it all you want, this guy came here 1 winter, 2 winters ago and challenged the nation, then did something, and acted on it. You would think in that time a big resourceful nation like ours would be able to set up its own relief program right? No fsck that noise, those unpatriotic unamerican bastards should freeze in their patriotism. Fsck grandma, fsck the guy about to lose the roof he's going to freeze anyway.
That one act was enough to put this nation to shame. You can call it propaganda, I'll take that kind of propaganda, there was an action behind it even if the motives were just to put the reigning jackass to shame. I've heard much worse propaganda from our own turf as of late. It's time for politicians to stop sitting on their asses and actually do something.
Frankly, your comments are idiotic.
If you are so poor and freezing to death, please apply for some low cost oil and report back to us on how it worked for you.
Sham, advertising opportunity, gimmick, sure, great propaganda, so then why hasn't the rest of the energy community jumped on the bandwagon to help out needy Americans?
You can sit there and spin it all you want, this guy came here 1 winter, 2 winters ago and challenged the nation, then did something, and acted on it. You would think in that time a big resourceful nation like ours would be able to set up its own relief program right? No fsck that noise, those unpatriotic unamerican bastards should freeze in their patriotism. Fsck grandma, fsck the guy about to lose the roof he's going to freeze anyway.
That one act was enough to put this nation to shame. You can call it propaganda, I'll take that kind of propaganda, there was an action behind it even if the motives were just to put the reigning jackass to shame. I've heard much worse propaganda from our own turf as of late. It's time for politicians to stop sitting on their asses and actually do something.
Nobleman,
America hate Chavez because he has the balls to call Bush an idiot. many people feel that if you call the president what he is, then you must be a bad person.
I have read up about Hugo Chavez. What he was done to/for Venezuela and S. America undermined "America's agenda" down there.
We wonder why 90% of the world hates the USA. It isn't because we drive around in SUV's and scream "America is number 1".
It is more complex than that, much more complex.
Tom
America hate Chavez because he has the balls to call Bush an idiot. many people feel that if you call the president what he is, then you must be a bad person.
I have read up about Hugo Chavez. What he was done to/for Venezuela and S. America undermined "America's agenda" down there.
We wonder why 90% of the world hates the USA. It isn't because we drive around in SUV's and scream "America is number 1".
It is more complex than that, much more complex.
Tom
Kevin Lang
Well-Known Member
Frankly, considering that you can get 30 bucks an hour easily--with pay increases and advancement opportunities, with NO education background, I _refuse_ to buy into this "I'm poor" nonsense.
Politicians do too much anyhow--if you want to be up on your high horse about giving back to the "poor", perhaps you should go after the multimillionaire football players--most of them came from "poor" communities--they should have great reason to give back, yet they don't.
If one was truly "poor", then why are they using OIL to heat their homes? That isn't the best choice, considering that it is on its way in surpassing precious metals as pricy commodities.
In the end, the problem comes in that you condone a free handout. If someone who doesn't take the initiative to advance can get dirt cheap oil, why can't the people who DO take the initiative, get cheap oil as well? Is it because we can allegedly "afford" it, because we have "better jobs"? If that is the case, then we're essentially taxing people who go forward with ambition and advance in the world--the very same kind of people who made America the powerhouse nation that it was in its heyday.
Yet it is more economically advantageous to sit back and bum around, and leech off of free handouts, and live reasonably well. So why take the initiative anymore? All you end up doing is sending your money directly to the self-proclaimed "poor", the lazy. It's worse than communism--when every job pays the same, no one will opt for the harder jobs, Russia demonstrated this. When Socialism makes up for initiative, there is no reason to take it.
No wonder America sucks in this day and age.
Politicians do too much anyhow--if you want to be up on your high horse about giving back to the "poor", perhaps you should go after the multimillionaire football players--most of them came from "poor" communities--they should have great reason to give back, yet they don't.
If one was truly "poor", then why are they using OIL to heat their homes? That isn't the best choice, considering that it is on its way in surpassing precious metals as pricy commodities.
In the end, the problem comes in that you condone a free handout. If someone who doesn't take the initiative to advance can get dirt cheap oil, why can't the people who DO take the initiative, get cheap oil as well? Is it because we can allegedly "afford" it, because we have "better jobs"? If that is the case, then we're essentially taxing people who go forward with ambition and advance in the world--the very same kind of people who made America the powerhouse nation that it was in its heyday.
Yet it is more economically advantageous to sit back and bum around, and leech off of free handouts, and live reasonably well. So why take the initiative anymore? All you end up doing is sending your money directly to the self-proclaimed "poor", the lazy. It's worse than communism--when every job pays the same, no one will opt for the harder jobs, Russia demonstrated this. When Socialism makes up for initiative, there is no reason to take it.
No wonder America sucks in this day and age.
Dre L
Well-Known Member
America sucks in this day and age because of ignorant people like you. Your comments one after another reflect that ignorance and it is a shame you even speak on this topic.
You're looking at this from a very one sided perspective of "all poor people are slackers who have put themselves there." You're a sad statistic that persists in this nation.
Regardless of whether or not there are people who take advantage of society, there are people who are in that position through factors that may have been out of their control. Even after all the careful planning and work you have done in your life to avoid becoming a victim of poverty, you yourself may find yourself a victim of circumstance.
Your stereotyping poor people as
Common logic would indicate that if someone cannot afford heating oil, they cannot afford a conversion to another heating system.
Yes, and that is also circumstantial. If it is so easy, to obtain that kind of employment, those unemployment numbers must just be a joke.
Taxing the working class has been a problem for many years. That is one of the subjects and arguments for tax reform. Many of those you speak of, the people who made America a so-called "powerhouse" are the ones who are suffering in the cold now, who are suffering from poverty.
You can prepare, but no one is fully insulated against disaster, economic or otherwise. You can talk about athletes, but many of them do give back one way or another, and yet people go out of their way to be fanatics and pay those athletes their salary (I guess you're not one of them).
I knew someone on welfare for a while, $113 per month for her and child. My transit pass costs more than that, I'd like to get to work, feed and clothe myself and my kid on that kind of money, woo hoo, we're living reasonably well.
The intent of many of these programs is to keep people going until they are back on their feet. Granted there are many scumbags out there that take advantage of these programs and they should be shot, however you Kevin fall into a dangerous part of this population that just looks at everyone who is in need as scum. I pray you never fall into that kind of situation and learn about this first hand, I would much rather you enlighten yourself and do some research, get yourself educated about something before you go around making rash generalizations.
You're looking at this from a very one sided perspective of "all poor people are slackers who have put themselves there." You're a sad statistic that persists in this nation.
Regardless of whether or not there are people who take advantage of society, there are people who are in that position through factors that may have been out of their control. Even after all the careful planning and work you have done in your life to avoid becoming a victim of poverty, you yourself may find yourself a victim of circumstance.
Your stereotyping poor people as
. That is a broad generalization considering this country has so many poor, I guess America is just full of a bunch of lazy, uneducated, dirty, unambitious scum. Sounds about right.someone who doesn't take the initiative to advance
Common logic would indicate that if someone cannot afford heating oil, they cannot afford a conversion to another heating system.
Frankly, considering that you can get 30 bucks an hour easily--with pay increases and advancement opportunities, with NO education background, I _refuse_ to buy into this "I'm poor" nonsense.
Yes, and that is also circumstantial. If it is so easy, to obtain that kind of employment, those unemployment numbers must just be a joke.
If that is the case, then we're essentially taxing people who go forward with ambition and advance in the world--the very same kind of people who made America the powerhouse nation that it was in its heyday.
Taxing the working class has been a problem for many years. That is one of the subjects and arguments for tax reform. Many of those you speak of, the people who made America a so-called "powerhouse" are the ones who are suffering in the cold now, who are suffering from poverty.
You can prepare, but no one is fully insulated against disaster, economic or otherwise. You can talk about athletes, but many of them do give back one way or another, and yet people go out of their way to be fanatics and pay those athletes their salary (I guess you're not one of them).
Yet it is more economically advantageous to sit back and bum around, and leech off of free handouts, and live reasonably well.
I knew someone on welfare for a while, $113 per month for her and child. My transit pass costs more than that, I'd like to get to work, feed and clothe myself and my kid on that kind of money, woo hoo, we're living reasonably well.
The intent of many of these programs is to keep people going until they are back on their feet. Granted there are many scumbags out there that take advantage of these programs and they should be shot, however you Kevin fall into a dangerous part of this population that just looks at everyone who is in need as scum. I pray you never fall into that kind of situation and learn about this first hand, I would much rather you enlighten yourself and do some research, get yourself educated about something before you go around making rash generalizations.
The difference between being part of the middle class and part of the poor, is only one major medical condition.
Just remember that. One major medical expense such as an organ transplant, cancer, or myrads of other major expenses and you become part of the poor.
Tom
Just remember that. One major medical expense such as an organ transplant, cancer, or myrads of other major expenses and you become part of the poor.
Tom
Dre L
Well-Known Member
Tom,
I've got what you could call a different view of religion, although a common one. One day, a "holy man" (as he referred to himself) sat next to me on the bus. First, I'm a scary guy, he sat next to me on the bus, and spoke with me a bit which is a rarity. For the next 45 minutes I overheard his business as he spoke on his cell phone, all one sided obviously.
The first call:
How's the job hunt going? Few offers? Well are you accepting it? But you can get by on $60K a year, you can't live the life of luxury, you can supplement it teaching at night and Julie can get a job.
At this point I lost interest in that call.
The second call:
There's a book about the principles of leadership, I go over this with my staff every time I take on a new parish. There are 5 points of leadership that need to be made clear... I need to be able to do it my way if I am to make a difference and turn that parish around.
Traffic was building up at this point but he had my interest again.
"I need to talk this over with someone I trust. I don't know if I'm where g_d wants me to be."
"We need to put an end to this hate, this racism, this corruption in the church..."
"Well just because Jesus absolved us of our sins does not mean he gave us a frontal labotomy..." "He came to us for help, he was asking for help."
"They killed that boy. They cast him aside and killed him and his death is on all of our hands."
I might not know the other side of that conversation, I might not know all the details, but it rang loud and clear.
Blind patriotism is the same as blind religious extremism is the same as Al Qaeda. People die, we still end up nowhere.
I've got what you could call a different view of religion, although a common one. One day, a "holy man" (as he referred to himself) sat next to me on the bus. First, I'm a scary guy, he sat next to me on the bus, and spoke with me a bit which is a rarity. For the next 45 minutes I overheard his business as he spoke on his cell phone, all one sided obviously.
The first call:
How's the job hunt going? Few offers? Well are you accepting it? But you can get by on $60K a year, you can't live the life of luxury, you can supplement it teaching at night and Julie can get a job.
At this point I lost interest in that call.
The second call:
There's a book about the principles of leadership, I go over this with my staff every time I take on a new parish. There are 5 points of leadership that need to be made clear... I need to be able to do it my way if I am to make a difference and turn that parish around.
Traffic was building up at this point but he had my interest again.
"I need to talk this over with someone I trust. I don't know if I'm where g_d wants me to be."
"We need to put an end to this hate, this racism, this corruption in the church..."
"Well just because Jesus absolved us of our sins does not mean he gave us a frontal labotomy..." "He came to us for help, he was asking for help."
"They killed that boy. They cast him aside and killed him and his death is on all of our hands."
I might not know the other side of that conversation, I might not know all the details, but it rang loud and clear.
Blind patriotism is the same as blind religious extremism is the same as Al Qaeda. People die, we still end up nowhere.
