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Japan Does Not Face Another Chernobyl

The containment structures appear to be working, and the latest reactor designs aren't vulnerable to the coolant problem at issue here.

By WILLIAM TUCKER

Even while thousands of people are reported dead or missing, whole neighborhoods lie in ruins, and gas and oil fires rage out of control, press coverage of the Japanese earthquake has quickly settled on the troubles at two nuclear reactors as the center of the catastrophe.

Rep. Ed Markey (D., Mass.), a longtime opponent of nuclear power, has warned of "another Chernobyl" and predicted "the same thing could happen here." In response, he has called for an immediate suspension of licensing procedures for the Westinghouse AP1000, a "Generation III" reactor that has been laboring through design review at the Nuclear Regulatory Commission for seven years.

Before we respond with such panic, though, it would be useful to review exactly what is happening in Japan and what we have to fear from it.

The core of a nuclear reactor operates at about 550 degrees Fahrenheit, well below the temperature of a coal furnace and only slightly hotter than a kitchen oven. If anything unusual occurs, the control rods immediately drop, shutting off the nuclear reaction. You can't have a "runaway reactor," nor can a reactor explode like a nuclear bomb. A commercial reactor is to a bomb what Vaseline is to napalm. Although both are made from petroleum jelly, only one of them has potentially explosive material.

Once the reactor has shut down, there remains "decay heat" from traces of other radioactive isotopes. This can take more than a week to cool down, and the rods must be continually bathed in cooling waters to keep them from overheating.

On all Generation II reactorsthe ones currently in operationthe cooling water is circulated by electric pumps. The new Generation III reactors such as the AP1000 have a simplified "passive" cooling system where the water circulates by natural convection with no pumping required.

If the pumps are knocked out in a Generation II reactoras they were at Fukushima Daiichi by the tsunamithe water in the cooling system can overheat and evaporate. The resulting steam increases internal pressure that must be vented. There was a small release of radioactive steam at Three Mile Island in 1979, and there have also been a few releases at Fukushima Daiichi. These produce radiation at about the level of one dental X-ray in the immediate vicinity and quickly dissipate.

If the coolant continues to evaporate, the water level can fall below the level of the fuel rods, exposing them. This will cause a meltdown, meaning the fuel rods melt to the bottom of the steel pressure vessel.

Early speculation was that in a case like this the fuel might continue melting right through the steel and perhaps even through the concrete containment structurethe so-called China syndrome, where the fuel would melt all the way to China. But Three Mile Island proved this doesn't happen. The melted fuel rods simply aren't hot enough to melt steel or concrete.

The decay heat must still be absorbed, however, and as a last-ditch effort the emergency core cooling system can be activated to flood the entire containment structure with water. This will do considerable damage to the reactor but will prevent any further steam releases. The Japanese have now reportedly done this using seawater in at least two of the troubled reactors. These reactors will never be restarted.

None of this amounts to "another Chernobyl." The Chernobyl reactor had two crucial design flaws. First, it used graphite (carbon) instead of water to "moderate" the neutrons, which makes possible the nuclear reaction. The graphite caught fire in April 1986 and burned for four days. Water does not catch fire.

Second, Chernobyl had no containment structure. When the graphite caught fire, it spouted a plume of radioactive smoke that spread across the globe. A containment structure would have both smothered the fire and contained the radioactivity.

If a meltdown does occur in Japan, it will be a disaster for the Tokyo Electric Power Company but not for the general public. Whatever steam releases occur will have a negligible impact. Researchers have spent 30 years trying to find health effects from the steam releases at Three Mile Island and have come up with nothing. With all the death, devastation and disease now threatening tens of thousands in Japan, it is trivializing and almost obscene to spend so much time worrying about damage to a nuclear reactor.

What the Japanese earthquake has proved is that even the oldest containment structures can withstand the impact of one of the largest earthquakes in recorded history. The problem has been with the electrical pumps required to operate the cooling system. It would be tragic if the result of the Japanese accident were to prevent development of Generation III reactors, which eliminate this design flaw.
 
There is nothing "man-made" that Mother Nature can't destroy in a moments notice.



Sometime you are in the wrong place at the wrong time.



This event was major, but, minor compared to what could happen.



The best you can do is, "spread your wings and trust your cape", if you are in the middle of a natural disaster.



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Fricking MSNBC had an "expert" on demonstrating how to don an N95 mask and how to take potassium iodide tablets... for Americans. Talk about riling up the locals for no reason!
 
TJR, I heard that the eastern side of the island had moved 13 feet further east--while the western side hadn't moved. Meaning the island is now 13 feet wider than previously.



I also heard that the eastern side dropped about two feet downward--which means that many areas will need to rethink drainage, levees, etc., as they rebuild; while others may now be uninhabitable.



edit--Here's a source citing the 13 feet and 2 feet--see the third paragraph. Haven't yet found a link to what I read about the impact of the island sinking 2 feet--but it seems to me to make sense...
 
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Bill V,



Thanks.



I wonder what kind of building standards, for nuclear power plants or otherwise, exist that allow for large land masses to shift 13' and drop 2'????



TJR
 
The thing is, if everything in relation to them moved that much in that area, the effect of that much movement is very little, aside from the effect of the change in sea level. It's kind of like if your car moves 13 feet--so long as the whole car moves the same 13 feet, it's no big deal. It only becomes an issue when the front half of the car moves 13 feet and the back half doesn't. :)



Also of note is the fact that almost all earthquakes result from the relieving of pressure. Meaning that the island didn't really get "stretched" 13 feet, so much as it was previously "compressed" 13 feet that it isn't any more. That's why you don't see any 13-foot-wide fissures anywhere on the island to account for it. Odds are that over time (centuries or more?), the island will once again get compressed again, and will then relieve that pressure again with more earthquakes. The only questions are how much compression, how much release of that pressure at a time, and when.
 
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Rep. Ed Markey (D., Mass.), a longtime opponent of nuclear power, has warned of "another Chernobyl" and predicted "the same thing could happen here." In response, he has called for an immediate suspension of licensing procedures for the Westinghouse AP1000, a "Generation III" reactor that has been laboring through design review at the Nuclear Regulatory Commission for seven years.



Profanity exists to give this guy an appropriate label. Our energy woes are brought about by luddite dissenters like You.



This will do considerable damage to the reactor but will prevent any further steam releases. The Japanese have now reportedly done this using seawater in at least two of the troubled reactors. These reactors will never be restarted.

Ouch. That could seriously hurt the Japanese power grid. Are there any prognostications about how they'll make up for the lost power?



So, on the Japan expansion, what does that do for property boundaries? :grin:



Edit: Answered my own question--Japan will go institute a period of rolling blackouts to deal with the power grid deficiencies.







 
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Information is coming in about this reactor. It was built by GE, in the USA.



Early reports say that GE redesigned the containment unit shortly after the design went into production, but Tokyo Power refused to perform the upgrades.



The plot thickens...





Tom
 
thanks for the info



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again i ask, tom are you qualified enough to determine that this disaster could have been prevented when an eartquake of this magnitude stikes. do you realize how powerful this quake was????????????????????????



i know you want to see japan eliminated from this earth, but believe me, they will back on their feet.
 
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They survived the quake just fine,no damage.

Computer models estamated a worse case tsunami at 9 ft,they went 18 ft with the sea walls.

The Tsunami crested at 28 ft.
 
The US Navy reported that the rediation levels reported by the TP is lower than those measured on the carrier.



Because of that, the US Navy moved the carrier further away from Japan.





Tom
 
Local talk radio show had a nuclear power guy on the show yesterday, he also said that the nuke plants in Japan were designed to survive an 8.2 earthquake, this one was 8.9 and they were still fine, but the tsunami took out the emergency generators that supplied the backup power for the water pumps, etc.
 

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