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Gavin,



Good point. Numbers themselves are meaningless until interpreted, and any set of numbers can be interpreted anyway one wants.



For example, let's say asian imports were beating domestic sales for a given year. Well, one COULD interpret those numbers to say that loyal domestic brand buyers hold onto their vehicles longer, because they can, because the quality is better, while those that buy the inferior quality imports buy more frequently...thus their inflated numbers.



Now, of course, without all the data at hand (data like average age of each brand held by consumers), that interpretation is as good as any other equally (un)informed interpretation.



The issue most people have, especially when looking at statistics, or debating such similar points (in the internet or in person) is that they tend to take what they know, what they think they know, and what they have experienced, and they use all of that as a lense through which to view the data and the information at hand. That then leads them to draw conclusions.



Because we all have different experiences, beliefs, opinions, etc, we each have different lenses. That is why two different people can look at the same thing, and often see two very different things. The ironic part, is that often the case is such that they are BOTH right...from their own POV. The truly evolved are able to try to understand the other's POV, and to be able to put on and understand their lense...if for no other reason than to understand WHY their view is valid (for them).



TJR
 
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The truly evolved are able to try to understand the other's POV, and to be able to put on and understand their lense...if for no other reason than to understand WHY their view is valid (for them).



I understand that a lot of other people are plain stupid and that is why their point of view is wrong.

:banana:
 
Here is something interesting...



Disclaimer: I do not support NAFTA and feel it has been a failure to America and her people.



With that being said, vehicles produced under NAFTA are considered domestic made (I don't agree with it) but the numbers show something interesting...



Ford sold 1,741,343 vehicles, year to date. Of those vehicles, zero were imported.

Toyota sold 1,586,107 vehicles, year to date. Of those vehicles, 341,205 were imported cars and 178,805 were imported trucks.



That comes out to 520,010 imported vehicles. Using some simple math, about 30% of Toyota vehicles sold were imported from Japan or somewhere outside of North America.



Toyota takes advantage of NAFTA like GM and Ford does, so that point is moot.



It still does not change the fact that buying a Ford is supporting our neighbors more than buying a Toyota or Honda. (Honda sales included 12.7% imported vehicles)



I am in Florida on vacation with an intestional flu. I am feeling like crap and seriously considering cutting this trip short. I am done with this thread. My point was made.





Tom
 
"That comes out to 520,010 imported vehicles. Using some simple math, about 30% of Toyota vehicles sold were imported from Japan or somewhere outside of North America."



don't hate the player :bwahaha:



"I am in Florida on vacation with an intestional flu. I am feeling like crap and seriously considering cutting this trip short. I am done with this thread. My point was made."



you better get a head start, that ford may not make it back :grin:





 
you better get a head start, that ford may not make it back :grin:



You are absolutly correct. With 204,500 miles on the odometer, it is a crap shoot.



How many vehicles do YOU own, or have ever owned, with that many miles?





Tom
 
"How many vehicles do YOU own, or have ever owned, with that many miles?"



i own 6 vehicles and 1 that is company issued. the highest mileage on any of these is 96K (88 fiero). after that 55K is the highest.

at one point i had a 91 escort with about 140K. it certainly was not a 13 second escort :grin: but was great for pulling around my 2 waverunners.

the reason i dont keep them that long is that i get bored and switch out when i have an great opportunity.



" You are absolutly correct. With 204,500 miles on the odometer, it is a crap shoot."

well i am glad you agree. wow you are a risk taker and i will offer a nice very reliable scion you can pick up in my garage in florida to take home.:haveabeer:

be safe













 
I doub't that Scion would be 1/3 as reliable as our Explorer is.



Anyways, we are just outside of Jacksonville on our way to Atlanta. Gonna visit the GA aquarium before our next stop in Lexington, KY. before heading home.



Long live Ford reliability.





Tom
 
:back2topic:



its over a week now and the family in the jeep is still looking for a christmas tree.

they should be able to get a good deal on one, whenever the hell they find one. :banghead:





 
Gary, you're absolutely right about the tree, now. However, many Americans who are used to having their Christmas trees up most of the month of December aren't even aware that for a significant part of the population (tends to be a regional variation), the tradition for the Christmas tree is to NOT get the tree or put it up until Christmas Eve. Putting up and decorating the tree are considered to be part of the festivities for the evening of December 24. For many of these, the tree then stays up at least until the Epiphany (1/6)--if not longer.



And then there are families like mine--where the tradition when I was growing up was that the tree stays up until January 24th. The story behind it--My baby sister's birthday is January 25th. One year when we were quite young, young enough to where she didn't have a grasp on the idea of calendars, she remembered that on her birthday, there was snow on the ground. So the first time it snowed in November, she was "sure" that her birthday would occur in just a day or two. That's when my parents made their first mistake, when they told her, "But Barb, we haven't even had Christmas yet, and your birthday is after Christmas." Needless to say, on the evening of December 25, Barb got all excited, as Christmas was done, which meant that her birthday was the very next day. And my parents' explanation of that was mistake number two: "But Barb, we haven't even taken down the Christmas tree yet." She immediately clung to that idea, and was now convinced that once the tree came down, her birthday would be the next day. Rather than disappoint her yet a third time, the decision was made--the tree would stay up until the night before her birthday. And a tradition was born--to this day (Barb is now 34), my parents still leave their tree up every year until the evening of January 24.
 
Well, we made it home in one piece. The Explorer performed flawless. With over 205,000 miles on the odometer, she made me proud. If the body would hold up. we would driver her another 100,000 miles, but the rust is catching up to her, so I expect this summer to be the end of our relationship. Hopefully, we get up to 236,000 miles so it will be a cool and even 100,000 miles for only a $5,000 investment.



No Toyota will ever give you that return, no matter how much "residule" you have.



My last car was purchased for $1,730,00, driven for 5 years and sold for $2,450.00, for a profit of $720.00.



No Japanese car will ever give you those numbers, unless you use a gun or wrap yourself with explosives.





Tom
 
"My last car was purchased for $1,730,00, driven for 5 years and sold for $2,450.00, for a profit of $720.00."

wow, numbers like that will make you a millionaire :grin:



allright we get it now. your explorer is so special :banghead:



BTW, why so much rust :banana:



 
There is this old saying: If you assume you will make an ASS out of U and ME.



Well, there is a similar saying I use. If you make an ABSOLUTE statement using a word like ALWAYS, or NEVER, then you will likely be shown by someone, sometime to be ABSOLUTELY WRONG.



TJR
 
Now this is bullshit. Ford has several manufacturing plants in Canada and Mexico. I recall the Crown Vic was imported.



Gavin,



Read my original post VERY carefully to understand what was said.





Tom
 
BTW, why so much rust :banana:



When you drive a vehicle for many years in a salty winter environment, rust happens. It is a chemical reaction between the carbon in the steel and the oxygen in the air.



Keep a vehicle longer than 5+ years and you will learn what it is too. :bwahaha:





Tom
 
"Keep a vehicle longer than 5+ years and you will learn what it is too."



nissan 350Z purchased new feb 2003. geee, if my math is correct, that makes it an 8 year old vehicle that is used "in a salty winter environment", not to mention near salt water as well. oh and it is not garaged. no rust here !!!!



i guess with your explorer.......

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Gary,



You need to drive it more than 1500 miles a year. If you want to compare apples to apples, that 350Z should have 160,000 miles on it.





Tom
 

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