Willie Anglin
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California is nuts.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/14/calif-gov-signs-landmark-law-to-teach-gay-history/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/14/calif-gov-signs-landmark-law-to-teach-gay-history/
Being gay is historical
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EddieS'04
In Memoriam 1950-2022
Or fruits.
That has nonthing to do with education IMO...:sad:
That has nonthing to do with education IMO...:sad:
Robert Caffyn
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No, California is just like a box of healthy cereal. What isn't fruit and nuts are flakes!! But still a nice place to visit. Bob
Bill V
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I agree that this is uncalled for--but no more so than other states having laws requiring teaching of creationism in science classes...
EddieS'04
In Memoriam 1950-2022
What states are that???
My ex is a public texas educator. If they teach anything it is darwinism.
It has gotten so bad the admistrators threaten the teachers, when. They try to do the yearly see you at the flag pole. Which is not against the law. The teachers are not allowed to start prayers on school grounds. They are allowed to join it, by law. But public school admin is constantly twisting the law. The teachers that are Christian, jew or any faith are afraid to loose there jobs.
Recently they are having to teach the 5 pillars of islam and qawnza and others. What gives with that?? when they cant compare it to Chistainity or Judizm. When I was in public school here in the bible belt. We had prayer, but we werent taught any religion. I dont remember it being said, that some of our founding fathers beleived in God.
Outside of what your beliefs are. Public school is getting away from, what they are established to do. So messed up with the dynamics of being PC. They are offendeding the belief system of some.
Where does it end.? No wonder parents across the nation are screaming for, private school vouchers. Even vouchers for Non-Christian private schools.
In Texas they also have to teach so much to state performance testing. The students are not taught many things in depth, of any subject. Im 61, when I talk with younger generations. Im amazed at some history, science or government, etc., they were never taught. Educators are so busy with junk that, too many student cant read. Many that graduate only read at a 5th grade level. News papers and mags are 8th grade level.
Ok, off my...:soap:
Les
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TrainTrac
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It's mind-boggling: States like CA and and my own People's Democratic Socialist Republic of Illinois are in deep financial $h!+, and elected officials make things like this a legislative priority instead of getting the checkbook in order??? Seriously?
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Thomas Rogers
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Nice sensationalist thread title.
Seems to me the bill is trying to put into the schools teachings of how gay rights, gay rights leaders have changed things over time. I see no reason not to teach that. It *IS* history, whether you agree with it or not.
But, back to this thread's title. Yes, begin gay is historical. Homosexuality goes back since the dawn of man and has been part of nearly every civilized culture, and the more civilized the more it has been accepted...so it seems to me.
TJR
Seems to me the bill is trying to put into the schools teachings of how gay rights, gay rights leaders have changed things over time. I see no reason not to teach that. It *IS* history, whether you agree with it or not.
But, back to this thread's title. Yes, begin gay is historical. Homosexuality goes back since the dawn of man and has been part of nearly every civilized culture, and the more civilized the more it has been accepted...so it seems to me.
TJR
Kevin Lang
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From the title of the thread I thought it was going to be about President Buchanan or that newer "rumor" about President Washington, or at least something close.
So when California passed that "austerity budget" which cut essential (and sensational) items such as funding for 70 parks IIRC, they felt it prudent to leave funding for crap like this in? I suppose they never learn. I wonder if I'll see California split into 2 states sometime in my lifetime...I hope that at least one of them will be sane. I'm told CA was a great state once, too bad I didn't get to visit it when it was. :boohoo::cry:
So when California passed that "austerity budget" which cut essential (and sensational) items such as funding for 70 parks IIRC, they felt it prudent to leave funding for crap like this in? I suppose they never learn. I wonder if I'll see California split into 2 states sometime in my lifetime...I hope that at least one of them will be sane. I'm told CA was a great state once, too bad I didn't get to visit it when it was. :boohoo::cry:
On that, I guess the Greeks, Romans, and Japanese of antiquity were far more civilized than the modern world as they were far more accepting of that than we are. Those cultures didn't need "pride parades" as it was already ubiquitous & accepted. The ancient Greeks may have killed a mathematician because he discovered that the square root of 2 was irrational, but I don't know of them taking out any mathematicians because they were gay (ala Turing). Though that raises the question of which ancient mathematicians weren't gay, as all the ones that come to mind have documented relationships or at least catamites (cough "proteges" cough cough HACK).
Thomas Rogers
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KL,
Gotcha... Should have said "arguably more civilized than others during their time..."
Not to say they were civilized by today's standards in all areas.
TJR
Gotcha... Should have said "arguably more civilized than others during their time..."
Not to say they were civilized by today's standards in all areas.
TJR
Mark K 2
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I can see a student asking his teacher, "Why aren't there and pictures of Michelangelo's wife?" An appropriate response would be, "He was gay and didn't have a wife, but he had a boyfriend." It would be silly for the teacher the say, "I'm not allowed to tell you why. Go ask your parents."
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Then we would get information like, "Aligators are ornry because they have all them teeth, but no tooth brush."
Tom
EddieS'04
In Memoriam 1950-2022
Best answer is,
That is what ex would say. Then continue with the lesson.
Some things are only a distraction from the lesson. Personal belief in right or wrong. Or difference in lifestyle, belongs at home.
IMO, some things are to be taught at home.
Some people want to change what schools teach. Out of there own radical beliefs.
Parents have the right to teaching there kids, lifes belief systems. Not the school.
Thomas Rogers
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Eddie,
I have no problem with right and wrong being taught at home, actually, I applaud it. I just wish more homes did it, and I wish of those homes that do do it, some didn't actually teach a warped sense of right and wrong.
Some parents teach racism and hatred rather than love and tolerance. That's not right...that's just wrong.
TJR
I have no problem with right and wrong being taught at home, actually, I applaud it. I just wish more homes did it, and I wish of those homes that do do it, some didn't actually teach a warped sense of right and wrong.
Some parents teach racism and hatred rather than love and tolerance. That's not right...that's just wrong.
TJR
That would be about as pertinent a question as a student asking why there aren't any pictures of Michelangelo's mother, or brother, or parakeet. What does any of that have to do with the man's part in history?
EddieS'04
In Memoriam 1950-2022
Thomas,
Because of my own personal belief. I have to draw a line between tolerance and acceptance. I can tolerate your difference, but. I dont have accept it. When it doesnt line up with my personal beliefs and values.
If what you want me to tolerate gets flaunted. Or temted to be shoved down my throut to accept it as a belief. The tolerence level tends to disapate.
There are those that dont want to hear about my faith. So they wont. The problem is many want to silence to Christian church altogether. Contrary to somes' belief, Jesus did teach tolerance(not to hate). We were also told not to accept certain things as right or normal. Nor to involve ourselves in those things.
We cant help the bad that gets taught in some families. But it is still the families right, no one elses. The bad will always be taught, somewhere. Not an outsiders bussiness to teach those things that go against a families faith. I think the constitution gives that freedom. I believe it is a right without the constitution.
FYI, the use of the word you. Is not pointing at you personaly....just a word
Because of my own personal belief. I have to draw a line between tolerance and acceptance. I can tolerate your difference, but. I dont have accept it. When it doesnt line up with my personal beliefs and values.
If what you want me to tolerate gets flaunted. Or temted to be shoved down my throut to accept it as a belief. The tolerence level tends to disapate.
There are those that dont want to hear about my faith. So they wont. The problem is many want to silence to Christian church altogether. Contrary to somes' belief, Jesus did teach tolerance(not to hate). We were also told not to accept certain things as right or normal. Nor to involve ourselves in those things.
We cant help the bad that gets taught in some families. But it is still the families right, no one elses. The bad will always be taught, somewhere. Not an outsiders bussiness to teach those things that go against a families faith. I think the constitution gives that freedom. I believe it is a right without the constitution.
FYI, the use of the word you. Is not pointing at you personaly....just a word
Thomas Rogers
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Eddie,
Regarding your use of the terms "flaunted" and "shoved down my throat", all I can say is those are funny given this is a thread about gays.
TJR
Regarding your use of the terms "flaunted" and "shoved down my throat", all I can say is those are funny given this is a thread about gays.
TJR
EddieS'04
In Memoriam 1950-2022
Thomas,
It does sound kinda funny. Didnt think about it when I was typing..:rofl:
It does sound kinda funny. Didnt think about it when I was typing..:rofl:
Kevin Lang
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Thinking on this, teaching about the homosexuality of historical figures could raise other questions, like "Why was it OK for Michelangelo and Demosthenes to have catamites but Michael Jackson had to go to court for having them?" That could even lead, though hopefully not, to young boys accepting the idea of being a catamite, which would put society and legality at odds...time for the tin foil hat :grin:
I'm still not sure what the academic point of this instruction is. The article talks about Harvey Milk & how he should be taught about because MLK is taught. I know my instruction in public school isn't indicative of all public school education, but I was taught about Milk, long before this legislation was concocted. Honestly I think there are more important things to teach than either of those people.
I'm still not sure what the academic point of this instruction is. The article talks about Harvey Milk & how he should be taught about because MLK is taught. I know my instruction in public school isn't indicative of all public school education, but I was taught about Milk, long before this legislation was concocted. Honestly I think there are more important things to teach than either of those people.
