Gavin Allan
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Could it be???
Maybe a VW Pickup in your future?
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Ed C
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Looks nice but
Gavin Allan
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Severely under-powered?
4.0L SOHC engine in the Sport Trac produces 210 horsepower at 5000 rpm, and 240 foot/pounds of torque
4.0L SOHC engine in the Sport Trac produces 210 horsepower at 5000 rpm, and 240 foot/pounds of torque
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Gavin,
Yes, underpowered.
180 HP is not much for a truck, and a 4 cylinder makes it even worse, but the diesel gives it decent torque. The problem is that Americans will not buy 4 cylinder Diesel trucks...Just my opinion, but that's probably why it will never make it to the US.
...Rich
Yes, underpowered.
180 HP is not much for a truck, and a 4 cylinder makes it even worse, but the diesel gives it decent torque. The problem is that Americans will not buy 4 cylinder Diesel trucks...Just my opinion, but that's probably why it will never make it to the US.
...Rich
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Unloaded curb weight 1993 kg (4393 lbs)
Max. permissible 3040 kg (6701 lbs)
Payload 1047 kg (2308 lbs)
Permitted trailer load, braked 2800 kg (6172 lbs)
Unloaded curb weight 1993 kg (4393 lbs)
Max. permissible 3040 kg (6701 lbs)
Payload 1047 kg (2308 lbs)
Permitted trailer load, braked 2800 kg (6172 lbs)
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Travis Stevens
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Kinda looka like a small chevy avalanch..:throwup:.
I would certainly buy a turbocharged 4 cylinder diesel pickup. Torque is everything in a truck and horsepower is about useless for my uses. I'm actually considering a 4bt swap when the SOHC gives up. It's in a close tie with the Explorer 5.0 and 6bt.
I wouldn't buy it if it is made by VW, though.
I wouldn't buy it if it is made by VW, though.
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EddieS'04
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The HP only comes into play in top gear. At what rpm does the 295 lb/ft of torque max out.
If it is not maxed at highway speed. There is still passing power. With the twin turbo.
If it is not maxed at highway speed. There is still passing power. With the twin turbo.
rod denton
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that is sharp looking i am sure it will have a hell of a warranty the f150 needs a diesel :btddhorse:
so many vehicles we dont get to enjoy
ford had one called maverick it was diesel 4cyl almost 20 yrs ago
now vw has one
so many vehicles we dont get to enjoy
ford had one called maverick it was diesel 4cyl almost 20 yrs ago
now vw has one
rod,
Ford Mavericks were small sporty economy cars that were built from about 1970 to 1977. Mavericks never had a 4 cylinder engines and they never had a diesel engine. The smallest engine they ever had was a 170 CID Inline 6 cylinder.
They eventually upgraded the Maverick's trim and drive train and introduced a "Boss 302" version with a small block V8 and a model called "The Grabber" and the Stallion. After the Maverick went out of production in the US, they were still built and sold in Brazil for a few more years. If they ever put a 4 cylinder or diesel engine in the Maverick it may have been in Brazil, and they were never brought to the US.
The only 4 cylinder diesel engine that I recall was the old 1980's VW Rabbit. They got good fuel mileage but the Rabbit and the diesel were plagued with problems. I bought a 1986 gasoline Rabbit for my daughter when she was in High School and it was broke down more than it was on the road.... I got tired of fixing it and bought her a little Toyota Tercel, which never broke down.
...Rich
Ford Mavericks were small sporty economy cars that were built from about 1970 to 1977. Mavericks never had a 4 cylinder engines and they never had a diesel engine. The smallest engine they ever had was a 170 CID Inline 6 cylinder.
They eventually upgraded the Maverick's trim and drive train and introduced a "Boss 302" version with a small block V8 and a model called "The Grabber" and the Stallion. After the Maverick went out of production in the US, they were still built and sold in Brazil for a few more years. If they ever put a 4 cylinder or diesel engine in the Maverick it may have been in Brazil, and they were never brought to the US.
The only 4 cylinder diesel engine that I recall was the old 1980's VW Rabbit. They got good fuel mileage but the Rabbit and the diesel were plagued with problems. I bought a 1986 gasoline Rabbit for my daughter when she was in High School and it was broke down more than it was on the road.... I got tired of fixing it and bought her a little Toyota Tercel, which never broke down.
...Rich
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Gavin Allan
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Chevrolet Chevette had a diesel 4-cylinder option:
Gavin Allan
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Ford Escort had a 4-cylinder diesel option:
Gavin Allan
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Here's a link to the Ford Maverick that discusses a diesel option:
Gavin,
There have been many small diesel engines made around the world, but they have rarely been marketed in the US because small diesels do not sell in the US.
The Escort diesel was made by Ford's European division and only a few were ever brought to the US....Even your link indicates that the US Escort Diesel was vary rare.
The Ford Maverick Diesel was a Ford's European version of a Nissan, and I am not aware of any of them being imported and sold in the US new vehicle market.
Both vehicles demonstrate my point, that small diesels do not sell in the US and never have. That certainy does not mean that VW's 4 cylinder diesel pickup will not sell here....They just have long up-hill battle to convince Americans that this is a very different diesel. Only time will tell. I just don't think 180 HP Diesel in a 4300+ lbs truck is what Americans want, so VW has a lot of convincing to do.
...Rich
There have been many small diesel engines made around the world, but they have rarely been marketed in the US because small diesels do not sell in the US.
The Escort diesel was made by Ford's European division and only a few were ever brought to the US....Even your link indicates that the US Escort Diesel was vary rare.
The Ford Maverick Diesel was a Ford's European version of a Nissan, and I am not aware of any of them being imported and sold in the US new vehicle market.
Both vehicles demonstrate my point, that small diesels do not sell in the US and never have. That certainy does not mean that VW's 4 cylinder diesel pickup will not sell here....They just have long up-hill battle to convince Americans that this is a very different diesel. Only time will tell. I just don't think 180 HP Diesel in a 4300+ lbs truck is what Americans want, so VW has a lot of convincing to do.
...Rich
I'm weird, but that's exactly what I want. Gobs of torque and fuel efficiency are awesome. Americans are ignorant when it comes to diesel. If I do go diesel, I would like to try to make it biodiesel. The ST will be a toy by that point.
Gavin Allan
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When gasoline goes to $5-6/gallon or more, American drivers will be wanting something different than what they have now...
A guy who worked for me had a diesel Escort Station wagon. That thing was a DOG, but it sure was noisy!
A guy who worked for me had a diesel Escort Station wagon. That thing was a DOG, but it sure was noisy!
Hugh & Gavin,
I agree that diesels are the way to go in the future, but the car makers have a big up-hill battle to convince most Americans that the old noisy, stinky diesels of the 70's and 80's are gone and the new breed of diesels are way better. Diesels have been very popular in Europe for many years, but when the diesels were introduced to the US market by the likes of the old GM/Oldsmobile 350 diesels and the VW Rabbit, it left a very bad tastes in their mouths and may be very hard to overcome those memories
My original comment was that 180 HP is not enough power for a 4300+ lbs truck regardless if it was a diesel or gasoline engine, but I think the cost of fuel will reduce power in a lot of vehicles and we will see a lot more small engined vehicles. I also think a 4 cylinder diesel engine in a VW will bring back too many bad memories of the 1980's VW Rabbit diesels. More power to VW if they can pull it off, but it will take a marketing miracle to change most Americans perceptions of small diesel engines.
...Rich
I agree that diesels are the way to go in the future, but the car makers have a big up-hill battle to convince most Americans that the old noisy, stinky diesels of the 70's and 80's are gone and the new breed of diesels are way better. Diesels have been very popular in Europe for many years, but when the diesels were introduced to the US market by the likes of the old GM/Oldsmobile 350 diesels and the VW Rabbit, it left a very bad tastes in their mouths and may be very hard to overcome those memories
My original comment was that 180 HP is not enough power for a 4300+ lbs truck regardless if it was a diesel or gasoline engine, but I think the cost of fuel will reduce power in a lot of vehicles and we will see a lot more small engined vehicles. I also think a 4 cylinder diesel engine in a VW will bring back too many bad memories of the 1980's VW Rabbit diesels. More power to VW if they can pull it off, but it will take a marketing miracle to change most Americans perceptions of small diesel engines.
...Rich
People have been putting 3.9 diesels in much heavier trucks than the Sport Trac. They're plenty powerful and get good gas mileage. Should I go with the 4b it'll be coming out of a Frito Lay delivery truck since they are readily available nearby. It really depends on whether you think the Sport Trac is supposed to be a sporty cruiser or a truck, imo.
