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Thomas.. LOL.. I get you..

Iam a believer, but. I never have personaly took the 1 day is a 1000 to the Lord Literaly. Who really knows, only God. On the 7th day and God rested. Might have been a million years per day. IMO, there are so many things the church took literaly. That wasnt meant to be literaly...LOL



I find it intresting, how even just a hundred years ago. The theology was wrong, in some areas. Even the case of salvation a few hundred years ago. The church was teaching it wasnt for everyone. Only the privledged. That is way far from, what Jesus taught. He was a thorn in the side of the privledged and religous leaders. Showing they were the worst of the hypocrites.



I try my best not be religous or denominational. Just a Christ follower. Man made doctrines, is one issue Christ was putting an end to. Mankind is still too hung up on being in control...LOL
 
That was part of the History Channel's "Ancient Aliens" series, based on Erik Van Daniaken's (sp?) books. I read several of his books way back in the late 1960's and the TV series is just ast interesting ...I would recommend that everyone should see this.. The whole series is available on NetFlix as streaming video, so if you have not seen it, or you don't get the History Channel you can still get it on NetFlix.



...Rich
 
Bill,

Most people believe it was man-made, but perhaps at the direction and technological guidance of Aliens that were assumed to be Gods. Martians assumes the came from Mars, which is probably not true...I doubt that any alien that may have visited earth came from anywhere in our solar-system.



...Rich
 
ALIENS I TELL YA!! Damn aliens did this to mess with us. Notice how the carvings look almost Mayan? Now, everybody knows the earth was made about 4.5 billion years ago, man evolved from the ape(but why are there still apes?), chickens used to be dinosaurs, and forgive me, but Jesus was a man, a Jew, a Rabbi and a carpenter. JMO Bob (let the rhetoric fly)
 
Richard L

Look closely at the Vid again,Do you see any rebar? You do not,do you realise why not?

You see Richard,Rebar is heavy.

The martians would never be able to transport rebar in flying saucers,it is such a no brainer,It was built by martians and because there was no rebar used in the construction,The whole site never passed code or met earthquake standards and the inspectors made them cover the entire site with sand.

Todd knows all about that stuff,maybe he will chime in:banana:
 
Bill,

You don't see rebar on modern buildings because it's completely incased in concrete. If fact it is not supposed to be exposed....so they may have to xray those blocks to see if they have any rebar in them...If they do, then they must have been built by aliens because 12K years ago we had not discovered steel yet, ..Heck, we had not discovered anything yet? :grin:



...Rich
 
What about the supposed "lost city" now under the sea off the coast of Okinawa?



If they do, then they must have been built by aliens because 12K years ago we had not discovered steel yet

Are we certain of this? Technologies were lost between even the "near" Ancients (eg:Greeks, Egyptians) and the modern age. Even technologies documented by the ancients, documents which we still have today, have yet to be truly recreated by modern science. Greek fire being the most famous.



Just because we don't see any buildings or weapons from so far back using steel doesn't necessarily mean that the technology wasn't known. The Greeks knew about mortar & just refused to use it, and some of their buildings are still standing. The Chinese knew about primordial gunpowder and didn't bother to use it for effective weaponry (Yet according to that famous nutjob they started the Renaissance in Europe). The Mayans knew about the wheel but refused to use it for transportation. The Egyptians had tamed & domesticated animals yet generally refused to use pack animals.



Even if some mystery culture had steel weaponry, that doesn't guarantee that they couldn't be beaten down by another culture & the technology simply lost (as so much was). Maybe there is some out there, and we just haven't found it yet. We couldn't read hieroglyphics until the French bumbled upon the Rosetta Stone. Maybe some Greek or Ethiopian will kick up a hunk of ancient steel, or maybe we'll find some buried under the sand/jungle or the ocean (which the History channel claims is loaded with insight into ancient cultures.).
 
KL,

The comment about not discovering steel yet, was a tongue-in-cheek remark to Bill Barber about them not using rebar because it was too heavy for the Martians to bring on their UFO's..:bwahaha:



The fact is we have not found any evidence of the making or use of steel in ancient times, but until we do, we can only assume they did not have the knowledge or technology to make steel.



All of these ancient pillars and structures were made of cut/carved stone, not concrete. Ancient Romans reportedly discovered concrete, but used it more like a mortar than for casting large building blocks etc. Lacking steel, they could have used other metals available to them, or even fibers to reenforce the concrete. To them concrete was a just a form of masonary glue.



...Rich



 
until we do, we can only assume they did not have the knowledge or technology to make steel.



I think there may be other possible assumptions. Maybe it was just too costly. There are technologies we are fully knowledgeable about but a cost/benefit analysis makes it less desirable than the alternatives.
 
Hugh,

Maybe it was just too costly. There are technologies we are fully knowledgeable about but a cost/benefit analysis makes it less desirable than the alternatives.



Was that meant to be tongue-in-cheek, or do you actually think they may have known how to make steel 12000 years ago, but their Accountants and Executives conducted a cost/benefit analysis and found it was too expensive to make? However their executives and CEO's felt that making pyramids and other huge megolithic stone structures that we would have great difficulty doing now (if we could), would be cheaper, and provide a better cost/benenfit ratio and perhaps more profit??



:bwahaha:



...Rich



 
Not really tongue in cheek. Never thought of it as going through executive decisions. Why would the civilization have to necessarily be one that built great things? Could it not have been a small North American nomadic tribe? Rocks are easier to chip into tools and steel would be heavy to transport to their next hunting grounds.



I think it is unlikely, and steel need not be the only example of such technologies, but you said "we can only assume" as if it's the only assumption you are allowing me to make. Unlikely should not mean it's the only assumption. Besides, you know what they say...:grin:
 
Gavin,



Yep. He made the fossils. He tricks us by falsifying the science behind carbon dating. Also, erosion as a slow process is a false, man-made concept as the Grand Canyon is really only a few thousand years old, and a huge underwater canyon carved by the great flood.



God is a jokester.



TJR
 
However their executives and CEO's felt that making pyramids and other huge megolithic stone structures that we would have great difficulty doing now (if we could), would be cheaper, and provide a better cost/benenfit ratio and perhaps more profit??



In a sense the Pyramids were public works, and after seeing the crappy workmanship on several public works in my area, where politicians have sold out quality in the pursuit of the almighty dollar (and principles too with the employees their contractors use), I do not think that we could construct them with the same or higher quality. Color me jade.



do you actually think they may have known how to make steel 12000 years ago, but their Accountants and Executives conducted a cost/benefit analysis and found it was too expensive to make?

Perhaps the ancient civilization lived in an area where natural resources were scarce. Consider the Japanese; they knew about steel but rarely used it as the ores were very scarce and thus expensive, having to have to be extracted from sands.



Or perhaps efficient ways of acquiring the high temperatures required to smelt steel weren't around. Maybe some South American people discovered steel but didn't use it as they only had tropical wood to burn, which made smelting difficult? It is possible that we just haven't discovered their steel yet. Shoot, we just discovered a whole metropolis of theirs 100 years ago (Machu Picchu).



Quality steel was difficult to procure and expensive to make until the Industrial Revolution anyhow.



I'm also not sure why you, Richard L, consider it absurd that the ancient peoples had accountants and such. The Romans clearly had these people. Also, there are numerous devices crafted in antiquity that humans could not recreate for thousands of years. It took humanity almost 1.5 millenia to be able to recreate the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism">Antikythera mechanism</a>, and 1.8 millenia to create similar devices of superior complexity.



The Romans invented hydraulic mining and other mining techniques which allowed them to have <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_metallurgy#Output">a level of mining not exceeded until the Industrial Revolution, almost 1000 years later.</a> I'm not finding it difficult for some even older ancient civilization to figure out that iron becomes better when it gets some carbon infused. If one civilization can have technology which outperforms all others long after it is gone (the Romans), why can't another, such as a 12,000 year old civilization which could have steel? Making steel isn't rocket science. Again, even the comparatively primitive and technologically backwards ancient Japanese were able to create steel, and they couldn't even create their own original written language (Chinese scholars brought it across the sea. The Chinese also gave Japan its name.)



Yep. He made the fossils. He tricks us by falsifying the science behind carbon dating. Also, erosion as a slow process is a false, man-made concept as the Grand Canyon is really only a few thousand years old, and a huge underwater canyon carved by the great flood.

I've heard that <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2020:5&version=KJV">God is a jealous God</a>, but never a practical jokester :grin: :bwahaha:



 
KL

Lighten up. This is all in fun from the point that Bill Barber made his remark about these ancient people did not use rebar, and would have failed a safety inspection. From that point forward, I am only joking around as are most others here



I'm also not sure why you, Richard L, consider it absurd that the ancient peoples had accountants and such



That was again, a tongue an cheek remark to Hugh's statement:



Maybe it was just too costly. There are technologies we are fully knowledgeable about but a cost/benefit analysis makes it less desirable than the alternatives.



I just found the image that 12000 years ago a bunch of cavemen were sitting around the fire discussing the cost/benefit analysis of making steel..:bwahaha:



The fact that the Romans did things like hydraulics and mining, is amazing, but we are talking about people who lived 10K years earlier??? While steel is not rocket science to us, it would have been an almost insermountable task for people living 12K years ago. We are talking about people who were just trying to survive day-by-day. The concept of steel was the furthest thing from their feable minds.



There are no know civilization to have existed on earth 12K years ago. and to build that large of a structure would have taken a highly intelligent civilization...That's probably why it was something built by or under the direction of some ancient alien civilization that landed on earth.



...Rich







 

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