Global Warming My Butt!

Low temp for today -7F, current +7F. Tomorrow low -9, high +4. Where is Al Gore now? I hope he left Tenn cause it won't be much warmer there. BTW, I wonder if he would come and help me shovel all this inconvenient truth out of my driveway? :sad:

Look at the temps and what's happening in Alaska and then say there's no such thing as Global Warming, how about the serious doubts in the west and all the wildfires. Also just because the temps are extremely cold people think "there's no global warming".



Do atleast some research what all is involved in global warming before you make a comment like this. Not trying to argue, just tired of uneducated people making stupid comments.



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Jerry, what are your educational credentials?



Much money being made by scientists getting grants to study so called "global warming".

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It's called global climate change now, not global warming. There has been a 15 year lull, though.



I have some carbon credits I'll sell anyone who is interested. 10,000 credits for only $100. You send a money order and I'll send you a certificate.:grin:

Not to mention the fact that Al Gore gets fat and rich while thousands of Americans lose good paying jobs in industries that have been vilified by so called do gooders.

Hugh, maybe you could make some money off of those eco-hippies who got themselves stuck in the Antarctic summer ice on that Russian ship, since their rescue cost way more carbon than they originally budgeted for.



EDIT: here in MD, we're having the closest thing that we've had to a "winter" in 5 years. We got pretty close to 0*F, which is astounding as normally we're struggling to even get down to freezing here!

People are asking "Where's Al Gore?" :rofl:



Yup KL, it's cold in MD! :supercool:

Hugh is right, it is called Global Climate Change, not Global Warming. However my thoughts on the issue is we all know we've had ice ages that lasted a long time. Eventually we warmed up enough to come out of the ice ages and that was all before mankind was supposedly heating the earth up. Each one apparently warmed up at different rates, so why is this necessarily catastrophic? I've got a hunch that the earth will take care of itself temperature wise over the long term, it's been doing it for millions of years.

No one can dispute that the Global Climate is Changing. It always has been changing and it always will be changing. This is a easy argument to win.



If you try to argue that man is or has changed the climate that is where the science gets very shaky.



Now, if you had to make your case for change, which argument would you try to make?

Jerry,

Wildfires have existed in the West for as far back as US history goes...even back to the Native Americans.



You need to do your research and you will find that Wildfires have nothing to do with Climate Change or Global Warming. Wildfires are related to weather.....however, Climate Change and weather are not the same thing and are not interchangeable.



When there is less rain we have droughts and that increases the chance of Wildfires. The warm dry weather in the west is often blamed on El Nino, and La Nino. These are circulating warm water currents in the Pacific ocean that are known to be caused by volcanic hot spots under the ocean floor (where the Earth's crust is thinner).



The Hawaiian Islands were formed this way and the Kilauea volcano on Hawaii's Big Island has been erupting continuously since 1983. Other hot spots under the ocean's floors are not erupting, but are warm enough to heat the ocean and cause convection currents that turn the ocean's thermal balance upside down because the water at the bottom is normally colder than the water near the surface. That's what an El Nino is and why it has such a major impact on weather in the western US.



Have you noticed how they have changed the term from Global Warming to Climate Change??? They always change the rules of the Global Warming Theory when things don't go their way? Have you noticed the number of scientific reports over the last few years that clearly show the planet is in a cooling period....The ice caps have expanded by 40% just in the past 1-2 years !! Some scientist are even predicting that we are entering and extremely cold period of perhaps 100 years duration?



As Redfish said, Climate Change has gone on for over 4 Billion years, and it will continue to go on. The question is whether mankind has had any influence on these climate changes, and can man do anything about it? The answer is NO ! We did not cause it and we cannot change it.



...Rich

Wildfires are good for the environment, bad for people who want to build mansions on mountains with a view. Americans just get upset when there is something they can't control.



I've said it before and I'll repeat it again; humans cannot destroy Earth, only our own ability to inhabit it.

Just call it "climate change" and that lets some spots get colder, others warmer, and everybody is happy and nobody wrong... right?

I'm happy as long as I don't have to pay for it.

Americans just get upset when there is something they can't control.

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Not necessarily Americans in general. More like liberals get upset when there's something/someone they can't control. :cheeky:

Not necessarily Americans in general. More like liberals get upset when there's something/someone they can't control.

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That's ludicrous. Conservatives get just as upset when they can't control something. Get off of your "better-than-thou" high horse already.

Yup KL, it's cold in MD!

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My sister lives out in Maryland. Neither she nor I can quite figure the people there out. A couple weeks ago they closed school one day, as they were anticipating snow. They got exactly what was predicted--a mere half inch, which didn't start falling until around 2pm.



Another time, they closed school because of the cold temperatures--it got down to +14F.



In DC, they shut down the entire government whenever a couple snowflakes fly.



When the temp in NYC gets below +20F, it leads the national news.



It really makes a lot of us out here in the Upper Midwest (or, in my sister's case, originally from the Upper Midwest) wonder--why are east coast residents such complete weather wusses? :cheeky:

My brother works for the feds in NYC. He got off several weeks last year because of the hurricane. He gets off everytime it snows a little bit. If it is cold, he can telecommute from home in his pajamas. The worst thing is he makes twice as much as I do.

The reason why the East coast is getting all the attention in the news about the weather is because that is where the big news media calls home. Also, it's population densiity...There are more people crammed into the cities and suburbs around some of the largest cities in the country and traffic is a nightmare even on a sunny summer day. The cities along the east coast are the centers of commerce, government, finance, etc, and when they shut down, it ripples cross the nation....especially at the airports around the country.



None of which have anything to do with Global Warming or Climate Change.



...Rich

Here in MD, the rivers and Bay have been freezing. My county has had to actually get its icebreaking ship out of mothballs and use it to crunch through as many as 5 inches of ice. We haven't seen that much ice in 10 years.



I'm sure that all y'all who live in areas where ice fishing and such is a regular event are scoffing at that but here in MD it has been over 50 years since that level of freezing was considered normal. Also, MD has bought into Al Gore's nonsense hook line and sinker (public schools, even in red counties, here teach it); there wasn't even supposed to be Antarctic ice this year, according to him, let alone ice here at levels unseen in a decade.

There is a Scientific consensus on Global Warming 97% in fact. Look it up!



Now, if you think that Global Warming is malarkey, then you just don't believe in Science. Therefore you probably are making a religious case for discounting Scientific fact. You may even think that Jesus rode on the back of a dinosaur like Gene Autry and Evolution is made up too.



Too bad that about a quarter of the U.S. population thinks like this. Progress is just tough for some to swallow. Nobody likes their value-systems challenged. I understand the need to have a comfort-zone. But alas, time marches on and progress never has been halted. Old ways are legislated into oblivion and the history books document it all. Except in Texas....